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  1. Randy says:

    When I was in seminary, almost 40 years ago, the eternal subordination of the Son to the Father was considered heresy. I think it still is.

  2. Michael says:


    It’s making quite the comeback…

  3. Jean says:

    The series by Mike the Geologist over at IMonk is outstanding.

  4. Randy says:

    I’m about to enter into a debate about it on theology list I really don’t want to because I’m tired of argument and debate.

  5. Michael says:

    Randy, you know as well as I do that it accomplishes little.
    I’m very grateful though that I was able to learn from men like you and others that left that list long ago…

  6. Mr Jesperson says:

    Another link that was sent to me this week. I found this site off of a previous linkathon post. It is on the subject of orthodoxy vs. orthopraxy. The comments following it are good too:

  7. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    Carl Trueman’s got a new one up on the subject of ESS and its advocates in New Calvinism

    The leaders of the organizations which represent New Calvinism have weathered storm after storm, from Driscollgate onwards, by maintaining a firm grip on the mainstream New Calvinist media, by licensing just enough criticism to reassure concerned onlookers, and by stoic public silence in the face of numerous scandals and controversies. But this one is surely too big and the stakes are too high. …

  8. Michael says:


    Great link and great article…

    “Thus, you are free to say that Nicene orthodoxy has no place in the church today. You are also free to say that it is something of secondary importance on which Christians can differ. You are even free to say that the Creed of Constantinople and the Chalcedonian Christology which flowed from it are erroneous and contrary to biblical teaching. But make no mistake: in doing any of these things you place yourself and therefore your movement not simply outside of the boundaries of the consensus of the confessions of Reformation Protestantism but also outside what has historically been considered orthodox Christianity in its broadest sense. That is your prerogative and if your conscience and your understanding of the Word of God bind you to it, then you must do it. But you need to be honest and transparent about what you are doing.”

  9. Xenia says:

    The Son was always the Son and the Father was always the Father. This is the nature of the Holy Trinity. I am rather shocked to see that this is even questioned.

  10. Xenia says:

    But I am talking about the eternal Sonship of the Second Person, not subordinationism proper, which is heretical. I got off track there a bit. Sorry.

  11. Erunner says:

    Having read about the deathbed conversions it reminded me of what I shared yesterday on the prayer thread. My brother-in-law’s mother was a lifelong Buddhist although I’m not sure if she was a practicing one.

    The family shared Jesus with her many times and she rejected their invitations to receive Christ. For a long time now she has been gravely ill. Yesterday our BIL’s daughter was on Grandma duty as her parents took a short trip when her grandma called her due to pain in her leg. 911 was immediately called and during that time her granddaughter asked her to pray and receive Christ and her grandmother nodded that she had and then slipped into eternity.

    I have prayed with people on their deathbeds and they heard from me an explanation of the gospel, we prayed and they indicated they had believed and accepted the gospel. They died the next day if I recall correctly each time.

    I have to believe God’s mercy and grace extends to the death bed and hope to see them as well as our b-i-l’s mother when I make that transition.

  12. Em ... again says:

    AMEN ! ! ! to Erunner’s #11

    however, it probably isn’t advisable to wait that long…

  13. charles says:

    I found this to be an interesting article from John Piper:

  14. Steve Wright says:

    Note the wording of the New Yorker article

    for example, only a third of British Christians believe in Christ’s resurrection, and nearly half don’t think Jesus was the son of God.

    (Christians, self-identified, then identified by the pollster, then identified by the New Yorker – but if you don’t believe in the resurrection or that Jesus was (is) the son of God, then where is your unbelief centered except squarely in the Bible – ergo, these are not Bible-believing Christians, and yet, to the world, they are most definitely Christians (as to themselves apparently also)

  15. Em ... again says:

    this is a great list again – it’ll take me the rest of the week to read, but i will…thank you … again

  16. Dan from georgia says:

    The so-called Gospel Coalition shows their hypocrisy by showing they can dish it out, but they can’t take it, regarding criticism.

  17. Alan says:

    Thank you for the articles on TGC. Yes, yes, and yes to those articles. Independent thought, or merely asking (obvious) questions are totally frowned upon by that group. Toe the line is all they’re interested in. They’re looking for kool-aide drinkers. If anyone has had the misfortune of attending a church that follows / supports TGC, they’ve seen this played out first hand.

    I agree with Dan from Georgia. The hypocrisy of TGC is always on display. They supported Driscoll for a long time and ripped on those who questioned him. Then, when it was so over the top obvious to even them, what a clown MD is, they tried to quietly cut bait and distance themselves from him.

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