Oct 252016
 

Calvin's Corner headerThis week, Phil and I discuss the deaths of Jack Chick and C.Peter Wagner and the reaction to them…and answer a listener question on why some Protestants think Catholics aren’t Christians…

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  23 Responses to “Calvin’s Corner”

  1. Wow Michael – What ODM person assigned Wagner to hell? I somehow missed that one.

  2. Here’s another “The biblical truth is that C. Peter Wagner is not in “Glory” today, unless he repented last moment of his false teachings and heresy, putting his faith in the Christ of the Bible and not the one of his choosing. Yes, that is correct. Wagner worshiped a different Jesus, not the one of the Bible.”

    http://bereanresearch.org/ed-stetzer-honors-nar-heretic-neo-montanist-church-growth-charlatan-c-peter-wagners-passing/

  3. Here’s another who stops just short but clearly believes Wagner to be in hell “the road to hell is paved with good intentions, people who meant well, but ignored the Bible’s clear warnings and instructions.”

    http://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/false-prophet-nar-pioneer-and-chief-theologian-c-peter-wagner-dies.121336/

  4. Here is the author of the bereanreasearch quote

    “While death can be a sad occasion for those here on earth as they face the lose a close friend, family member or leader. It is an even more woeful thought that the one who died, C. Peter Wagner, is spending eternity in hell. Even more disheartening is that a prominent face in evangelicalism, Ed Stetzer is leading many astray and right into the welcoming arms of the debaucherous neo-evangelical movement by honoring Wagner’s death. Stetzer is essentially aiding in leading people to the same false christ that Wagner worshiped by paying tribute to Wagner’s death. The death of Wagner should not be celebrated, but be used as a lesson to show where false teaching leads — to hell.”

    http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/10/23/ed-stetzer-honors-nar-heretic-neo-montanist-and-church-growth-charlatan-c-peter-wagners-passing/

  5. Thanks Alan. I see a lot of people crossing over the line when a perceived enemy dies, but determining their eternal destiny is not in man’s purview if someone confesses Christ. My criticism of the man stands – but he’s now in God’s hands.

  6. #6 Thank you … Peter was certainly vulnerable to serious critique

  7. ODM where is the criticism to which you refer or do you mean over the years?

  8. Ms. ODM,

    You are being a tad disingenuous.
    Your own posts on Facebook were almost celebratory and the threads were full of those who see you as an authority consigning Wagner to hell.

  9. Quote me – where I consigned him to hell please

  10. Great show. Serious question, if a Mormon puts his faith in Jesus Christ will he be saved?

    Many Mormons sincerely believe in Jesus although their doctrine is off.

  11. Seraphim – which Jesus? The one who is the product of sexual relations between father Adam and the virgin Mary? Probably not

    Is it the Jesus who is not part of the Trinity but is a god under Father god? Probably not

    But I find many Mormons to be ‘real’ Christians, but it is despite their Mormonism. So many have joined the Mormon church out of Christianity because of the nice hospitable nature of Mormon people. If they actually confess Mormon doctrine – the answer is no.

  12. Seraphim,

    I concur with MLD…if they confess the Jesus of Scripture who is defined in the early creeds, yes.

  13. Ms. ODM,

    Your post headings could have been easily understood as labeling Wagner as apostate.
    Your comment section was even clearer and you didn’t correct them.

  14. I talked about a possible loss of reward – said nothing at all about splitting hell wide open – so if you were indeed referring to me – I await your apology.

  15. An ODM waiting for an apology from PP … the drama is riveting

  16. I’m still waiting for her to apologize to ChuckJr…

  17. …as we still wait for the apologies requested this link underscores the ODM issue quite well
    https://sojo.net/articles/when-christians-love-theology-more-people

  18. Ms. ODM,

    Someone elsewhere on this site posted a number of quotes from your peers,many judging the mans eternal destiny.
    At this moment, he and Chick are wondering how the hell they ended up in the same place.

  19. Michael (20):

    I don’t know Mrs. ODM and I don’t peruse ODM sites, but why is it that some people just seem to have an almost ghoulish interest in determining who is where when they die. From what I have read here and other sites seems as though ODM’s almost seem like a satanic fetish, kind of like people who do nothing other than speculate on end times rubbish. Maybe I am engaging in hyperbole, but seems like a total waste of time to me to speculate on who is splitting hell wide open when they die.

  20. Michael (again your 20).

    Love that last comment btw…I bet lots of believers at the end will be looking around wondering how so-and-so got there. Baptists will dine next to Catholics, Lutherans and Catholics together, progressives and conservatives together….

    Naaaaah. Can’t happen.

    Can it?

  21. when one considers what hell is described/hinted to be in scripture, it is in ghoulish bad taste to speculate on an individual’s deceased location… doesn’t it seem if one cared about the fact of it, that one would put their energy into warning the living that it is a place you don’t want to end up in? declaring a revered leader to be in hell is probably not going to be too productive at the very least…
    ask the living, what does it mean to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? ask it every time the subject comes up… question the conduct of the living saints, perhaps, but take heed…

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