Theological Wranglings: Eschatology Add comments Pre trib Prewrath Post trib Amill Post Mill Hell if I know. Argue till you’re exhausted Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Google+ (Opens in new window)MoreClick to email this to a friend (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)Like this:Like Loading... No Responses to “Theological Wranglings: Eschatology” Believe says: April 3, 2011 at 3:17 am FIRST!!! Partial Preterism makes a good case. Amill does as well. However, Prewrath has got my attention…as very specific prophecies sure appear to be probable. But what the Gehenna (that’s for you Rob Bell, G and others ) do I know Another Voice says: April 3, 2011 at 5:03 am Either Believe has access to the super-secret membership entries…or this blog entry got raptured during the night. I’ll assume the other two debates, baptism and Calvinism, were sentenced to judgement. Sarah says: April 3, 2011 at 5:09 am I’m guessing, AV, that Michael is trying to set up a format where those who want to take debates to finite detail and great length have a place to do so. Maybe comes from the discussions on Open Blogging the other day where some were getting a it weary of the debates, while still knowing that there is value in them? I had to look for a minute to find where Believe had posted….he seems to have an extra sense for discovering debate Just kidding, Believe! Believe says: April 3, 2011 at 5:20 am Sarah, LOL! I have a nose for it I think what Michael set up is a great solution. The Theological Wranglings are a part of the PP Ethos, but can become a distraction. Now, if I or someone else gets too carried away on a particular thread, just tell us to “take it to the Wrangling Forum” Believe says: April 3, 2011 at 5:21 am AV, LOL as well Em says: April 3, 2011 at 9:47 am New Testament prophesies got somewhat of a hook in me thanks to PhxP, Michael and MLD – i have learned a lot in the past 3 years (mostly outside of the blogsite). i have lined up with MLD’s interpretation on some scriptures and formed a frame of reference that is remarkably free of “yes, buts” and “what ifs” and this is going to be my one and only post on this thread Trust the Word and stay in it. Somewhat like a TV cooking show, we’ve got a recipe, we’ve got the ingredients, and a picture of the finished product; but we’re not the cooks on this one . . . Mar 13:34 [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. Our Lord told us all to watch . . . it’s not that hard quite enjoyable, actually ( |o )====::: says: April 3, 2011 at 9:43 pm Michael, Excellent idea these theological war rooms! Eschatology rocks as long as it’s not “escapetology” Babylon's Dread says: April 3, 2011 at 10:10 pm I wonder if I should mention Israel…. guess I did… Just thought I would reiterate that there is no such thing as a dichotomy between Israel as the covenant people and the church… covenant people are covenant people regardless of race. Once you settle that eschatology is very much easier… I wonder if I just provoked another war room. Another Voice says: April 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm Once you settle that eschatology is very much easier… ——————————————- Once you settle that the Bible is a book…a book containing words…words having meanings…eschatology is very much easier… Anne says: April 3, 2011 at 11:34 pm “Our Lord told us all to watch . . . it’s not that hard quite enjoyable, actually” So true, Em. Especially if watching with a heart of joyful expectation, rather than over anxiety concerning one’s potential lack of readiness! Babylon's Dread says: April 4, 2011 at 11:01 am AV … words have meanings …TRUE…. always those words are dependent upon usage … Ex… ” enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent” Seed… is used twice in one sentence with two meanings…reminds me of Romans 11 using Israel …same word …, two meanings.. Another Voice says: April 4, 2011 at 2:14 pm Seed… is used twice in one sentence with two meanings ————————————————————– And what are those two meanings, if I may ask. Babylon's Dread says: April 5, 2011 at 6:00 am 1. Seed of the woman is her progeny 2. Seed of the serpent is his followers Babylon's Dread says: April 5, 2011 at 6:02 am Israel may mean those of faith and those of descent …two meaning Martin Luther's Disciple says: April 5, 2011 at 10:20 pm Well since this eschatology thread is a it slow, I offer up the first 5 min of this video (although the whole thing should be watched.) Another Voice says: April 5, 2011 at 11:17 pm 1. Seed of the woman is her progeny 2. Seed of the serpent is his followers —————————————— So a Human and/or humans are meant for both. Quite a distinction there. And as to Satan’s followers, I wouldn’t go too far away from the progeny idea. Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. ——————————— Israel may mean those of descent and those of faith…indeed. Very true. It also may mean a chunk of land over there in the Middle East. I think I can find one or two (hundred) such references in the Scripture. Exhaustion sets in early on this topic. Thanks for answering my question though, Dread. Babylon's Dread says: April 5, 2011 at 11:24 pm AV….you see no distinction between a seed of natural birth and one of Spiritual allegiance? I do flesh: is flesh and spirit is spirit. But seed carries both just as Israel carries both….Now….I do not think that the LAND is Israel….it is her inheritance. But that will soon be gnat soup and we should not drink. Babylon's Dread says: April 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm Let me be clear as to my point… a woman having a child and the devil having disciples are very different but are both expressed by the same word … SEED. Likewise Israel being a people (natural branches) and Israel being a faith (wild branches) are both conveyed by the title “Israel” as in the phrase “in this way all Israel will be saved” All Israel is simply the branches, natural and wild in one tree. But most people fail to see that very obvious reality in Romans 11 while they wait for a partial end times ingathering that they will wrongly call “all Israel.” But we have done this tons of times. Babylon's Dread says: April 7, 2011 at 12:37 am J R Church is no longer a dispie….I know because he died last month…. Sight brings great clarity. Believe says: May 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm Well, after May 21st, I think it’s safe to say we can cross Date Setting off the list, and pretty much whatever Harold Camping says regarding eschatology jpoafsdpoijafsd says: July 19, 2011 at 2:03 pm there sure is a lot of theological bong water on this blog…i guess its why I hate blogs….this one stinks! Michael says: July 19, 2011 at 2:08 pm That was quite the brilliant, incisive commentary. I wouldn’t use a real name if I were that stupid either… Pastor Paul Sannis BEHANZIN says: March 31, 2012 at 4:33 am Thank for the great work you are doing His glory, please i am interested in your materials to encourage my church members with those wonderful pictures on Eschatology, if it is possible to get thoes in french verson, we will be grateful to the Lord. Thank you Hounsinou Ludovic says: March 31, 2012 at 4:43 am i am interested in those beautiful scriptural pictures, if by His mercy we in our can have some of these materials. Thank you so much, may the good Lord bless and keep you for His coming. 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