Kevin H: To Tell The Truth

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22 Responses

  1. Mark LePard says:

    Not new to the accusations against Barton, but I’ve never seen his claims refuted. Can you refer me to a website or other material where I can check this out?

  2. Michael says:

    Warren Throckmorton at Patheos has a number of articles and wrote a book about his nonsense.

  3. Tim - Doulos says:

    Barton lost my respect when he couldn’t differentiate between Mormonism and Christianity in regards to Glenn Beck.

    “Let us strive to be honest and straightforward. Let us not intentionally skew the truths of reality. Let us not try to achieve the ends we think God wants with disingenuous means. Rather, let us be true and upright and rely on God to see things through.”
    — Well said.

  4. Michael says:

    Kevin is gold…very happy he’s letting us read his thoughts.

  5. Kevin H says:

    Mark,

    There’s not one singular site or webpage I know of that you can go to that will categorically and succinctly spell out all of Barton’s hijinks. There are sites you can go to that do have a lot of posts and information exposing Barton over time. The most voluminous information is probably on Barton’s Jefferson Lies book that he has recently re-released after having it pulled by a Christian publisher a couple years back because it had too many inaccuracies and unsubtantiated claims.

    Here are a couple suggested sites:

    Warren Throckmorton is one site as Michael has already mentioned: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/category/david-barton-2/

    And Throckmorton did write a book along with a colleague critiquing Barton’s Jefferson Lies book.

    John Fea is a Christian American history professor who has also posted much information about Barton over the years: http://thewayofimprovement.com/?s=David+Barton

  6. Kevin H says:

    And thank you Michael for your kind words and support. Support even to the point that you stick my article back up at the top of the blog. Completely unnecessary, but I appreciate the gesture.

    I’m glad you find my thinking and writing to be good, because I don’t find that compelling even myself.

  7. Michael says:

    Kevin H,

    This was particularly helpful because it reflects some things I think needed said on this blog.
    You said them very well.
    My apologies for the other articles…I didn’t know this stuff was all going to break today.
    I was very happy I had your article as I have to leave soon for a doctors appointment.

  8. Kevin H says:

    Michael,

    You don’t need to apologize for the other articles. It wouldn’t bother me at all if you posted 50 more articles today. No skin off my back.

  9. Kevin H says:

    This place is called the Phoenix Preacher. Not the Philadelphia Parishioner. 🙂

  10. Michael says:

    Kevin,

    I’m very picky about what I post here.
    You are hitting on things that we need to hear…and I think it’s very helpful to hear them from another voice.
    This is good stuff…

  11. EricL says:

    Something I read from Michael Brown: “Most Muslims are not terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslim.”
    We need to admit the truth of both those statements. Some of us might squirm more when saying #1, some more when saying #2, but both are true in our present era. If we cannot admit the truth, how can we ever consider ways to bring an end to the problem?

  12. Kevin H says:

    “If we cannot admit the truth, how can we ever consider ways to bring an end to the problem?”

    Exactly. In many respects, there are not easy solutions to Radical Islam and the other circumstances it affects (refugees, correlations with world political leaders and nations, etc.). However, ignoring truths of the matter will only make it that much harder to come upon good solutions.

  13. london says:

    I had typed out a long post in response to this thread but I think reading it back through it was confusing.

    However, in the writing of it, I worked out my thinking on some items about justice/freedom in a way I hadn’t done before.

    Thanks for writing this article Kevin so that I could make some sense of what it means for me to be an American Christian interested in equality, justice and freedom.

  14. JonnyB says:

    Hey Jesus, “What are we to do about our enemies?”

    “But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!,” replied Jesus.

    (Matthew 5:44)

    How much do you love the members of ISIS?

    Or the latest person who shot up a school or church or movie theater?

    That question may seem absurd.

    And maybe it is.

    I think “love your enemies” is the most unreasonable thing Jesus says.

    Jesus and His audience lived under an oppressive occupying Roman government.

    The Romans employed torture and murder to keep people in line.

    Everyone listening to Jesus talk about this “love your enemies” stuff had plenty of opportunities to experience “I hate you with every ounce of my guts” enemies in the soldiers and prefects that carried out this daily social domination.

    We’re dealing with humans, We can have hope.

    Hope that messages of love and acceptance and peace can be heard.

    Hope that God can redeem even the worst of sinners.

    Hope that God can redeem my deep, dark sins, too.

    I’m not seeking to humanize terrorists and murderers because they deserve it or because I am ignoring their actions.

    I’m seeking to humanize them because it’s true.

    It is also the only way we can hope to stem the tide of terrorism and shootings at schools and malls and workplaces and houses of worship.

    Because if these actions are the work of monsters and demons, I am powerless to stop them.

    I can only shake my head and feel sad that such beings cannot be stopped.

    And I hear the seemingly insane words of Jesus telling me to love my enemies and pray for them?

    http://aa.com.tr/en/world/cameroon-christians-muslims-protect-each-other-/508721

  15. Kevin H says:

    JonnyB,

    How to think about and handle the terrorism issue, especially as Christians on a personal level, is a tough thing to totally discern. The point of this article was not to address how we should be dealing with terrorism, except that we need to start out by being honest about the facts and reality of it. When we start with an honest base, it will help us in dealing with all the manifestations of the issue.

  16. london says:

    JonnyB,
    I think you’re right. The only way to deal with our fears of “the other” is to work to humanize them instead of seeing them as a demon or monster.

  17. Reuben says:

    As an anti-theist, we’ll said, except you fail to realize that your god will require you to die on behalf of your faith. Religion is real, the absolute unified divider, propping man against man in defense of fables that built structures of law that make it impossible for unity on any front. Islam is but one unified divider among a sea of radical ideologies that demand nothing less than devotion even unto death.

    Perhaps, rather than blaming the Muslim, blame religion, and acknowledge that this god fearing nation kills at will in defense of such nonsense.

  18. Josh the Baptist says:

    Hey Reuben. Hope you are doing OK. I wanted to apologize for being unkind to you many times over the years.

  19. Nonnie says:

    You are loved Reuben.

  20. Kevin H says:

    Reuben,

    Although I completely disagree with the conclusions you have made regarding God, I respect your desire to find and speak truth.

    I don’t think it would be worthwhile to try to debate you on the issues at hand where we have disagreement as I don’t think either one of us would be very successful in changing the other’s mind. But thank you for reading and your willingness to interject in a respectful fashion. Sincerely.

  21. Cash says:

    The problem as I see it is not Islam, but the extremist elements of the Islamic religion. I think Reuben touches on a good point that religion does divide people. Religion is the cause of much evil throughout history. By religion, I certainly don’t mean a true faith in Jesus Christ. I’m thinking of religions of works based salvation.

    Christianity has it’s extremists also. I’ve been over on the “God told them to do it” thread, talking about the people in Oregon. Aren’t these men terrorists also when they demand their way at the point of a gun?

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