Kevin’s Conversations: America’s Dad

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  1. Kevin H says:

    Michael,

    Just sent you an email. Somehow you got a not quite final version of my article as some of my final edits somehow didn’t get saved. Nothing of significance in the article changes, just trying to make it a little easier to read and a couple grammar corrections.

    So if it’s not too much trouble, would you be able to post the updated version? I don’t know how much work that takes, so if you’re not able to, I can certainly live with my slightly even more clunky writing than normal. 🙂

  2. Michael says:

    I’m not home at the moment, but I’ll fix it as soon as I am

  3. Kevin H says:

    Thanks, Michael.

  4. ( |o )====::: says:

    Cosby is an actor, in a scripted show, written for a target demographic.
    Offstage he’s quite unlike his Huxtable character.

    We who are busy ad-libbing real life realize, from time to time, that we’re merely players and that all the world’s a stage, but it means everything how we treat our fellow thespians on and off stage.

  5. Duane Arnold says:

    Off Topic

    Kevin – this is for you, but others can peek… https://youtu.be/M8Wt3dhF4fU

  6. Kevin H says:

    G,

    My liking of Cosby was more than just his scripted tv show. In his public appearances outside of his scripted shows, he always came across to me as a likeable guy. Since he is a Philadelphia native, he often appeared at different events around the city and gave me the same impression. Sadly, what he did in private seemingly was very different than what his public persona projected.

  7. em... again says:

    chewing on G’s #4… why do we have such a hard time grasping the point made regarding the actor (the celebrity with a pulpit) and the real person? why do we fall so short in teaching our children (sons as well as daughters) to discern the difference between an act and reality?

    i recall, as a teenager, finding myself steered into a celebrity’s dressing room as he (good looking Broadway star) stood out on the stage signing autographs… i was naive, but miffed as i was just waiting for a friend who was in the crowd waiting for autographs… why had they told me to “wait in here?” i didn’t even want an autograph… after a little while, i left in a bit of a huff… didn’t dawn on me until i was much older that there could have been a nefarious reason… but even back then i probably would have thought, oh no, he’s much too nice a man to be “that way.”

    i like the King James translation best, but 2 Tim 3:1-9 comes to mind (sorry G, but i am extrapolated off your wise words above)

  8. Kevin H says:

    Duane,

    That was quite good. But now you’re making the worlds of my randomly chosen article topics to collide. Who knows what the collateral damage may be. 🙂

  9. ( |o )====::: says:

    Kevin,
    Our organization had Cosby as a featured guest entertainer in Chicago some years ago. He was a creepy jerk to my manager (a woman), and his stage show descended into a gripe-fest-get-off-my-lawn riff. Our audience are some real-world tough individuals who put up with the worst in healthcare, they’re true heroes. Cosby was a whiny lightweight reaching into his well worn bag of tricks only to have one thing after another fall flat. The overall response was, “What was THAT about?!”

  10. ( |o )====::: says:

    Em,
    Glad you dodged a creepy situation!

  11. Anne says:

    One of the biggest collisions of on screen and off screen persona in my mind is John Wayne that lingers for many in my generation through the present. Although in my case, even as a child, I rooted for the Native Americans – he came to represent so much that is still deeply revered as manly, heroic and patriotic in our culture. Having children that briefly attended school with his, working as a caretaker next door to one of his ex wives, and other close proximity to his off screen persona, he almost always represented what I came to loathe most about some facets of American culture. My strong outspoken opinions have not gone over well, whether in Orange Cty church environments( where he was a saint to many) tending bar back in the day in NM or even as a child in Tx siding with Native Peoples. Growing up in military was not a great place to let on you weren’t a fan either, Lol. Took me a very, very long time to even think of him with an ounce of compassion, my disdain was so great. Now my biggest challenge in seeing their humanity with compassion lives in the WH …..

  12. Anne says:

    I forgot to mention that what was so off putting about JWs offscreen persona was that he was an ugly, wife/child abusising alcoholic, angry rude in public, philandering, given a pass for all kinds of behavior he could buy his way out of with law enforcement and enough millions to the GOP.

  13. Kevin H says:

    G,

    I had previously seen Cosby descending into the grumpy-old-man get-off-my-lawn persona. But I pretty much gave him a pass because I liked him and, well, he was in fact getting older and I don’t get too worked up about the grumpy old man syndrome that seems to inflict a good many. But I hear what you’re saying.

    When the other stuff came about Cosby, however, that was a whole different ballgame.

  14. Em says:

    Am I the only one pondering the popular catch phrase of the day in connection with the topic raised here by Kevin: ” white privilege? ” Perhaps the “privilege” would be better described as what comes with fame and/or wealth? America will grow up when we all concede that good and bad behavior have no color resonators – IMO
    Our instinct is to side with the losers as much as it is to admire the so called winners… but how many losers/victims would be bad actors, themselves, given the chance? … Pondering things like discernment, compassion, forgiveness …?…

  15. Em says:

    resonators? Bad spell check !bad bad bad spell check determinator d e t e r m I n a t o r
    (I don’t care if you don’t think it’s a word)

  16. em... again says:

    i halfway expected a lecture on the meaning of “white privilege” 🙂
    if anyone went to the trouble to read my comment posted above and is biting their tongue (or their fingers)… i do know its historic reference – what is bothering me is the catch phrases and mindless use of labels to excuse whatever is wrong or perceived as wrong now – in today’s world
    maybe one of yesterdays links got under my skin and prompted the above – i read one yesterday equating today’s trigger happy, nervous police with the lynch mobs of yesterday (BTW, in my opinion, God is going to deal much more severely with those who’ve participated in lynch mobs than He will with America’s slave owners of yesterday – but that’s just my view)…
    Michael is so patient with old people’s posts… wish there were more of us here

  17. Descended says:

    I made a Bill Cosby reference from his stand up to a white guy the other day.

    He looked at me as if I’d eaten a small child.

    Another one bites the dust. Par for the course. The rest of us need to get a grip and play through.

  18. em... again says:

    i recall Cosby from the days of his series with Robert(?) Culp – entertaining, but even then they seemed like they’d be bad or at least wild “actors” in real life… we women do have instincts, if we listen to them

  19. Babylon's Dread says:

    This case is interesting in that the stories are consistent and the crime is confirmed by so many voices. It was interesting that a much short list of women accusing Trump arose but the matter did not catch. The story seemed to have no wings. It fell to the ground. Cosby seemed so unlikely in his public persona. Trump seemed definitely likely by his marital history and persona. I am not making a big point other than my surprise that the Trump accusations did not go anywhere.

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