Kevin’s Conversations: The Greater Love

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8 Responses

  1. Josh the Baptist says:

    Good word.

  2. Jean says:

    Looking at the figures above, I am reminded of how poorly educated in American history I assume most of us are, and God only knows our kids today. I confess to not knowing very much about several of the smaller wars our country has fought in over our relatively brief history. History is a great teacher.

    Thank you, Kevin, for this article.

  3. The New Victor says:

    620,000 in The Civil War. From where does the 750,000 figure come?

  4. John 20:29 says:

    New York Times April 2012:
    “For 110 years, the numbers stood as gospel: 618,222 men died in the Civil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South — by far the greatest toll of any war in American history.

    But new research shows that the numbers were far too low.

    By combing through newly digitized census data from the 19th century, J. David Hacker, a demographic historian from Binghamton University in New York, has recalculated the death toll and increased it by more than 20 percent — to 750,000……”

    with no intent to justify slavery, i have long thought that the debt to those slaves has been paid in full

  5. John 20:29 says:

    maybe it’s the mom in me, but all those beautiful young lives blown apart and mangled in these wars are building a special hell in eternity for the haters, the weak, greedy leaders, looking for conquests, who think they are strong, but they are not

    FWIW – taking nothing away from what has been so well expressed in Kevin’s post today, i think the anonymous men and women of integrity who grind out their days in difficult circumstances doing the right thing as best they understand it with little or no reward are just as heroic…

    to say nothing of those who’ve chosen service to the Lord working diligently with little or no recognition or reward this side of heaven… there’ll be some celebrity pastor shoe-shine boys in Eternity, i suspect – dunno

    Kevin’s got me thinking again … and pontificating … again 🙂

  6. Kevin H says:

    Thanks, Josh, Jean, & Em.

    New Victor: My numbers all came from Wikipedia. Em (or John 20:29) posted a more detailed explanation from where they apparently came from. – Thanks, Em.

    “there’ll be some celebrity pastor shoe-shine boys in Eternity, i suspect ” – Even though there will be no more sin in eternity, part of me hopes we’ll still be able to get a good laugh at that when we see it. 🙂

  7. Anon says:

    #4 with no intent to justify slavery,

    Well, you’re doing better than quite a few “Christians” in the Civil War era.

    Just goes to show — everybody thinks their interpretation of the Bible is the “right one.”
    Culture and the influence of others, especially those in authority, are much more a factor than we might think.

    “Christians on all sides agreed that the Bible was authoritative, their interpretations of slavery in Scripture led to a full-blown theological crisis.”

    https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Crisis-Steven-Janice-Lectures/dp/1469621819/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1496260912&sr=8-5&keywords=mark+noll

  8. em... again says:

    Anon, slavery, like war is a fact of life – seems they’ve always been and will be…

    IMV…
    the Bible is not about reforming mankind… while implying that these are part of the curse, it neither justifies slavery, nor war, nor condemns them as such…
    it does give the reader who believes the Book instructions on conducting their lives thru such situations… IMV – the preachers may not agree – dunno

    but by now, it is pretty clear that the human race will grab justification for all their inclinations wherever they can – make up a religion to suit them or distort the true Faith… looking at it honestly, there is an evil in the human race that knows no color and, given the chance will be as cruel as possible to their fellow man…

    you mention the “Christians” of the Civil War era… i have some knowledge of that after doing some research on family – i had a Quaker great grandmother involved in the movement to educate the “negro” both during and after the war, seeing them as underprivileged – her husband saw the them as children that needed protection and guidance, not giving them credit as intellectual equals… the great grandparents worked it out… and finally my great grandmother has finally been proven correct – it gave me some great material for dialog between them when i wrote a history of my family for our children

    Reconstruction, for a number of reasons, set the stage for a period in U.S. history that was in my view a much deeper evil than the slavery that preceded it

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