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  1. Paige says:

    Uh oh, my dear, sorry you are not feeling well…hope you can get in to see your fave D.C. today….praying for you right now…

    I recently bought new Fiesta ware dishes…. all sorts of colors, after 20 years of black and white dishes. Ha! Methinks it’s a statement about my cultural and ‘religious’ beliefs. 🙂 I used to have all the answers. Ha! “Oh but I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now”. Amen. Good news about Brian Broderson. Swimming against the tide is tough.

  2. Michael says:

    Paige,

    Thanks…I’m going to try to drive over there shortly.

    I don’t have all the answers either…and the questions keep changing too. 🙂

  3. Xenia says:

    The Orthodox would say you are not even asking the right questions!

  4. Xenia says:

    I hope you feel better soon, Michael.

  5. Michael says:

    Thanks Xenia.
    There’s a part of me that would love to embrace Orthodoxy, but I can’t reconcile all of it’s doctrines with Scripture.
    Anglicanism is as close as I’m going to be able to get… 🙂

  6. Xenia says:

    It takes tremendous courage….

    Well.

    I don’t think there is ever a time when a Christian should attend the “marriage” of homosexuals. As one of the commentators rightly pointed out, wedding guests are more than observers, eaters, drinkers and dancers; they are witnesses to a sacramental event. The celebrant used to ask “Is there anyone here who knows of any reason why these two should not be married?” and if someone in the crowd happened to know one party was still married, or that they were brother and sister, etc. then he spoke up. Silence meant approval. If I was a guest at a homosexual “wedding” it would be for the purpose of voicing an objection.

    So Pastor Brian is giving people an out. It depends of the circumstances, he writes. It might be the loving thing, etc. etc. etc. This is how it all starts, pleading circumstances and asking what is loving, etc. as if God didn’t know what He was talking about and somehow we can out-love the Lord.

    People who are already being beguiled by the culture will grab onto this with gladness. They will always find a circumstance that suits them; they will always imagine their own thoughts represent true love and the slippery slope is fully engaged, get your skis.

  7. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    The sacramental aspect is an interesting and valid point.
    I just can’t remember the last time that was in vows I heard.

  8. Paige says:

    I appreciate Brian’s answer and perspective. The comments below the article are interesting, many showing grace, many holding the hard line position.

    This is an increasing issue, for whatever reason. IMO, much of the current gender ‘confusion’ issues are at least, in part, a result of our polluted environment. There are so many estrogenic growth hormones and endocrine disrupters in the food stream, water sources, etc…. as wondrous as Creation is, big business (aka Monsanto and the like) have caused a massive mess with numerous down stream effects that we are only beginning to see.

    I live in a suburb Portland, Oregon….a very strong LBGT-rights area; the home of the terrible case against Sweet Cakes By Melissa Bakery.

    My former daughter in law, mother of two of my three grands is now married to her girlfriend and I have to deal with the situation often.
    It’s a tightrope of exhibiting grace and trying to not be a jerk, yet not offering my ‘approval’ (as IF I were God, which I am clearly not). We can only walk our own walk…and let God be God and do His work in lives.

  9. Xenia says:

    Nowadays traditional Christian churches announce something called “the banns of marriage” for several weeks before the wedding. This is when impediments to the marriage can be investigated. If it’s announced (either in church or in the bulletin) that Sue and Pete are getting married in a few weeks, Jack, who is still married to Sue, can lodge his objection.

  10. Michael says:

    Paige,

    Personal relationships tend to soften hard lines.
    I don’t think I could attend such a wedding in good conscience, I know I could never officiate one.
    Interesting about the stuff we’ve been polluted with…never thought about that.

  11. Xenia says:

    many showing grace, many holding the hard line position.<<<

    Insisting on biblical morality *is* showing grace.

    Grace is not permissiveness.

  12. Paige says:

    Michael, all plastics are estrogenic = makes stuff grow (cancer) or disrupts testosterone. Synthetic fertilizers are estrogenic = makes stuff grow. Fluoride in water disrupts iodine uptake in the endocrine body leading to estrogen dominance…. Pesticides kill more than bugs, disrupting the incredible ecology that God created…. The Apocalypse is happening at the micro-biome level.

  13. Xenia says:

    I have observed a few homosexual “weddings” from afar (YouTube) and they celebrate not only the “marriage” of the two homosexuals but also view the event as a celebration of the legalization of same sex marriage. And the larger the number of guests, the more affirmation they feel. “Wow, 200 guests came! 50 years ago none of these people would have come. Look at the progress we are making!”

    Can a Christian lift up a glass of champagne (or sparkling cider) to the sort of toasts that will be made at the reception?

  14. Xenia says:

    Paige, the Monsanto connection. Very interesting.

    I am ready to blame all the ills of the world on Monsanto but I never thought of that one.

    You may be right!

  15. Paige says:

    Xenia, If I were to ‘insist on Biblical morality” I wouldn’t have another opportunity to exhibit grace with these people.

  16. pstrmike says:

    I appreciate that Brodersen recognizes that these are complex issues that require much thought, study, discussion and prayer and that it is important to give others latitude in working through these things. Unity is important and should be liberating, uniformity, particularly on non essentials, can be stifling.

  17. em says:

    #6-so glad that Xenia is an expert with the hammer…

    “it depends upon the circumstances?” … well, maybe, if one has gotten the other pregnant…

    “Is there anyone here who knows of any reason why these two should not be married?” … what if a believing Christian should happen to be in attendance? uh oh – it’s easy to see why that’d be dropped from the preface to the vows

    mostly it’s just so sad

  18. SJ says:

    I’m too young to be a traditionalist, but I comprehend when an inch is given/taken.
    It’s death by a thousand cuts over and over again……

  19. em says:

    #8- i agree with Paige, i don’t see all these lgb-whatever folk as volitionally sinful (they are, whether knowing better, and intentional or not) as they are victims of the environment of the times – both in the way Paige describes and in the self righteous, rebellious mores that are pushed in our faces demanding validation now…

  20. Xenia says:

    We have been lamenting divorce here as of late. How did churches come to accept divorce?

    The same way churches are being encouraged to accept homosexual “marriages.”

    Little by little, poco a poco.

    Death by a thousand cuts…. exactly.

  21. em says:

    “Personal relationships tend to soften hard lines” and they should… one on one – whatever the besetting sin, we should be kind and pray to do so without affirming the trespass

  22. Xenia says:

    To be clear, if a homosexual couple lived next door, I would be as good a neighbor to them as possible. If sick, I’d take soup, etc. If they went on vacation, I’d feed the cat and water the garden.

  23. Josh The Baptist says:

    I’d explain to my children that they were adult brothers who live together to save money…

  24. Anne says:

    #22 Much better response than many I’m reading in comments on various links to Brian’s article I have coming in. One commenter stated to the effect that they wouldn’t go and would pray God sent two angels to blind them like in Sodom. I responded, then deleted, if they needed shelter before blinding the Sodomites, would she offer her daughters to “entertain them” so they’d leave her guests alone like “righteous Lot”. Figure the pots stirred enough already 😉

    I will never complain in my mind about folks around here “cherry picking” scriptures out of context again after reading the comments on BB’s article. Agree or disagree, speaking about the subject at all makes me think BB’s backbone has gotten stronger.

  25. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I don’t get the objection to saying that you will not go to an event based on mority concern, or “I just don’t believe it to be right.”

    I did not attend my son’s 2nd marriage.

    I think the same sex marriage issue is just another liberal grab on the public coffers – but that’s just me.

  26. Erunner says:

    Your sister remarries after a terrible marriage and divorce. This time she marries a non believer who is a really great guy. You’re asked to be her maid of honor but decline. She asks another sister she declines. The sisters do attend the wedding though. She’s happy in her new marriage and many years later her husband is beginning to attend church.

    Or one spouse wants out of a difficult marriage and divorces instead of working to save the marriage. No abuse. No infidelity but just a growing apart.

    The spouse then remarries another believer knowing there is forgiveness for what many would say is an unbiblical divorce.

    The victims in these situations quite often are the children but quite often are overlooked because everyone else is now so happy. Tough topic and I didn’t get into the gay aspect of it. All too often we are becoming like the culture around us. That’s never good.

  27. Xenia says:

    There’s the idea that if we are just nice enough to homosexuals they will find Christianity attractive and mend their ways.

    What actually happens is they take our niceness for acceptance and feel even more affirmed in their sin.

  28. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    E, you are right that God can still work in people’s lives – even those who choose to remain in ungodly relationships. But, do we excuse it so that God can work?

    My son got divorced because he didn’t like his wife any longer and had an opportunity to hook back upp with a woman he had been engaged to 10 yrs earlier. Now, I didn’t particulary like his first wife, but I would not attend the wedding because it just wasn’t right. He has now been married 10 years, has 2 more kids and they are a great family- – but I did the right thing.

    My daughter divorced 7 yrs ago, and I am sure it was her fault and it was nasty. But she has had time to reflect, she and her ex now get along – which they have to with the kids. It has turned into a wierd situation in that on occaision she, her boyfriend, her ex and his girlfriend go out to dinner. I think they have all made things as whole as it can get (you can’t unscramble the egg) but good enough, that if she and her boyfriend marry, I would probably attend (if they invited me 😉 )

  29. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    A funny thing, and I am sure that it is the way the world does families today. We were at my grandson’s football game. My daughter’s boyfriend is the coach. Me and my wife were there, her ex and girlfriend were there his parents, who we get along with greatly were there and my daughter’s boyfriend’s parents were there also.(and it turned out his mom went to the same high school my wife and I attended)

    I almost felt like we were an episode of Modern Family.

  30. Papias says:

    Brian makes a reasoned answer of Maybe, not a simple Yes or No, and he takes taken to task for it?

    It may be a sign of society at large not wanting anything but a “Yes” or “No”, not just the church.

    JustOneThoughtPapias

  31. Alex says:

    Good to hear about Brodersen….yet, like Chuck Smith before him, he still endorses an unrepentant lying Child Abuser in his Camp/Non-Denom and he isn’t really critical publicly of the other garbage in CC as well…but nicely and passively does speak about the “outsiders”…just in a softer nicer manner. It is still speaking about those outside his Church…while staying silent and tolerating and endorsing known sin inside his Church.

    Just because the Calvary Chapel Bible removes Pastoral Qualifications as well as 1 Corinthians 5:12 doesn’t mean the scripture is absent those commands from “God” (well, I guess not in CC, they don’t really believe the bible, it’s just a means to a Career and following…that is their true belief as expressed in Action and Inaction).

  32. Erunner says:

    MLD, yours is an interesting family! I have a friend who divorced his wife as they didn’t get along. She remarried and he and his new wife do stuff with my friend and his new wife all of the time. He says they get along better now than when they were married! Makes my head spin.

  33. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I have a bit of trouble with BB article. He speaks of those in the church and those outside of the church and who we can judge and who we can associate with. But here is my problem – I am in the church, so how am I to reconcile my participation? I can see not judging them but I would still need to take me there.

    I know I have said in the psat that I would probably go, but the more I think about it, I don’t thinks. What other pagan sin do we participate in to be close to others to “win them to Christ”?

    For the guys, would you go to a bachelors party – I mean one that included strippers and sex just so you can maintain a relationship with a friend so down the road one day you can witness to him?

  34. Alex says:

    MLD said, “For the guys, would you go to a bachelors party – I mean one that included strippers and sex just so you can maintain a relationship with a friend so down the road one day you can witness to him?”

    That was funny.

    …and not a chance LOL.

  35. Captain Kevin says:

    Brodersen: “Perhaps there will be these kinds of occasions for us where we are led by His Spirit to be there among those who are so lost as to think that marrying someone of the same sex is good and right and beautiful. But we know differently, and we know that it’s only a matter of time before the truth of the destructive nature of sin begins to show itself in those relationships. Then, who knows? Perhaps because we’ve loved and prayed for them, they’ll turn to us for answers, and we can then point them to Jesus, the Savior, the only One who can fill the emptiness inside and make the crooked places straight.”

    Bravo Brian Brodersen!!!

  36. Captain Kevin says:

    MLD said, “For the guys, would you go to a bachelors party – I mean one that included strippers and sex just so you can maintain a relationship with a friend so down the road one day you can witness to him?”

    Alex said, “That was funny.

    …and not a chance LOL.”

    Agree, that’s pretty funny, and no I wouldn’t go either. I don’t have to participate in the debauchery in order to attend the wedding. Same with a homosexual couple.

  37. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Captain – or they may turn to you and say “you of all people, if you were my friend, should have warned me – spoke truth to me. Instead, you applauded at the end of the service, you ate my truffles and sipped champagne, and let me walk into my own damnation.”

    Hey, that could be the conversation.

  38. Captain Kevin says:

    Michael, praying you get some relief soon. I had to spend a couple days packing up classrooms, and I’m paying for it now, so I feel ya!

  39. Miss ODM says:

    Wouldn’t seem that Brian is concerned about avoiding the appearance of evil. To attend such a wedding would be seen as an endorsement of the ceremony to the casual observer.

  40. Alex says:

    Miss ODM said, “Wouldn’t seem that Brian is concerned about avoiding the appearance of evil. To attend such a wedding would be seen as an endorsement of the ceremony to the casual observer.”

    Same goes for a “Pastor” or a Tony Perkins or a Franklin Graham speaking at a Calvary Chapel Pastor’s event or CC franchise?…or a CC Pastor or Evangelical Guru being a guest on Don Stewart’s radio show? TBN? etc?

  41. Alex says:

    MLD said, ““For the guys, would you go to a bachelors party – I mean one that included strippers and sex just so you can maintain a relationship with a friend so down the road one day you can witness to him?””

    Been to some really good heterosexual bachelor parties…not that endorsed all those naked women gyrating around….I was just there to support the Groom-to-be! …and to witness to the strippers 🙂

  42. Andrew says:

    He seems willing to allow the hard core traditionalists to go their own way (Philadelphia) without rancor.

    ______________________________________________________________________

    This is a very interesting observation and probably true. However, from my perspective Philadelphia has been one of the biggest supporters of one of the most progressive CC’s out there with no apologies. That would be Calvary Chapel Delaware county. All of this is hard to understand. So in my humble opinion CC is an extremely theologically diversified bunch with the legacy of Chuck Smith as a glue stronger than biblical convictions. Politics seems to be the name of the game no matter what side you are on.

  43. em says:

    i pray the day got better for Michael – hope it is ending well for all who visit his Phoenix Preacher … the last 2 days’ visits here have been rich for me – grateful to all

    God keep

  44. em says:

    i was busy editing my “stuff” all day and so i skipped the link to Broderson’s thoughts – glad i took a minute now to do so as he’s worth a read… i..e.,

    “…..Should a Christian attend a same-sex wedding? … for me it comes down to drawing a distinction between the two groups Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5. If those marrying claim they are believers and that God is leading them to be married, and they are inviting you to come celebrate their love with them, I believe the answer is no; you should not have any part in anything like that. These are the people that Paul said we are to separate from.
    But if, on the other hand, the person is a rank-and-file unbeliever, perhaps a relative, an old friend, a work colleague, or whatever the case might be, and they invite you, this is where I would say pray about it and be open to the Lord having you there as part of the “bigger picture” work that He’s doing in the lives of those who presently are lost but could one day be found…””

    gotta run see why the horse is running around – what spooked her… God keep

  45. ? says:

    Would you go to a wedding where the couple are not believers and have been living together 8 years? I have an invite for October. They are getting married in a Catholic church. I thought the Priest won’t marry those living together?

  46. London says:

    Yes. Go to the wedding. Have fun. Celebrate. Don’t be a stick in the mud and for Gods sake, quit judging them for what you think they are doing wrong. They have a spiritual advisor (priest) whose job it is to help them in those matters. Your job is to be the best dang wedding guest ever. Oh, and to take a really good present!

  47. Andrew says:

    Unless there is another valid reason to protest this heterosexual wedding, I agree with London to go. Gosh, they are going from living in sin to a God honoring relationship. Some would call that repentance. But my question is why would they get married in a church at all if they are not believers of some kind?

  48. Xenia says:

    I’d go to a wedding for two people of opposite sex who were living together and decided to get married. Same for a wedding where the bride is pregnant. (I’ve been to plenty of those!) These people are taking steps to make things right.

  49. Babylon's Dread says:

    Attendance at a wedding is participation and implied agreement.

    Conscience will not let me do it.

  50. Surfer51 says:

    Some one sent this to me in my email today.

    It didn’t indicate who wrote it.

    I bet it ruffles a few feathers…

    “The Gay Revival

    I’m going to address some very controversial topics today. If you have trouble with God moving outside your comfort zone, you may not want to read this article. I’m serious: be careful! This may push your buttons.

    We’re going to talk about homosexual Christians, LGBT [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender] Christians.

    The Bible is clear, Old Testament and New: homosexual behavior is sinful behavior. Since we’re talking about Christians, we could go on about how there are loads of sins that we overlook in the church, while we call out certain others, but that hypocrisy is another topic for another day.

    One day, years ago, I was with a small group, praying for some folks we knew that were stuck in homosexuality. It was one of those prayer gatherings where you just know that God is hearing your prayers, even as he’s helping to shape them and encourage us in them.

    In the midst of that, I had a vision: tens of thousands of people in the homosexual community were encountering Jesus. It was a huge movement, and God was in their midst. They were worshiping powerfully, and God was delighting in their praise. There were signs and wonders. Many were in tears, some because of His love, some because of their sin, but it wasn’t always the sin I had my own eyes on that they were convicted of. It was a genuine revival.

    I began to praise God for that revival, for the many sons and daughters that were coming back to their Father, and as I did, the vision became even more real: I was in their midst as they were worshiping God.

    And then I realized: they weren’t – most of them weren’t – leaving their culture. Nearly all of them stayed in the homosexual community, and a very large number of them didn’t appear to repent of their homosexual ways.

    I began to react to that: That’s not right, I said in my mind. Father began to gently instruct me in this vision:

    1) When he calls people to himself, he does not call them to leave their culture. American Church Culture is not our goal. Relationship with Jesus is the goal. Hmm. OK. That’s true enough.

    2) When he finally got ahold of my life (after a longer fight than it should have been), I was not sin-free. There were several sins that he took decades to put his finger on. In fact, He said, There are some things I haven’t pointed out to you even yet. Yikes.

    But it’s true. If he didn’t point out– and by pointing out, give me grace to deal with – some of my sins for decades, why should I expect him to be less patient with other sons and daughters?

    3) And son, he said so very gently: these are my children, not yours. I am their Father, you are not. I am capable of raising My own children without your getting in their way.

    Since that experience, I’ve received a few reports that it’s beginning to happen, that substantial numbers of people inside the LGBT community are discovering the Lover of their Souls!

    I have received credible testimony from different people in different streams that tell me about the revival that is going on among the homosexual population. (At their request, and for their safety, I will not be releasing their identities. Some people do not respond well when God moves outside their box.)

    These people have been among gatherings of gay believers – we might call them church meetings or conferences – where the worship is powerful, where the Holy Spirit is present, where signs and wonders are in abundance, where Jesus is lifted up high. They have recognized God’s favor on the gatherings, and experienced His delight in them.

    I have met believers who are homosexuals. Some appear to be your basic, timid churchgoers, some flaming transsexuals proclaiming the gospel to their community. Some are content with their homosexuality; some want out but don’t know how; some are proud of their status, though these seem to be the ones who’ve taken the brunt of the church’s accusations.

    I’ve said all this to arrive at this conclusion: God is moving powerfully in ways that we never expected. And hold on to your hats, because he has more than this that he’s going to do.

    So how shall we respond to homosexuals that call themselves Christians? That’s simple: we love them. Just like we’re called to love self-righteous people who call themselves Christians.

    We surely have no right to challenge the faith of either group, and nearly always, we lack the right to challenge either their behavior or their culture. But we have the right to love them.

    Let’s love one another, as Jesus commanded us, shall we? And let’s trust our good Father to raise His children well.

  51. Surfer51 says:

    Be well Michael.

    I like Brian, he is a good guy.

    I think CC is in good hands as it were.

    Brian and his wife are both gifted.

  52. Andrew says:

    Surfer51,
    When you say you saw a vision, what do you mean? Audible, visual? Prophecy? Do you feel compelled to cast this vision to the masses as if its prophecy straight from God? Do we all need to jump on the LGBT bandwagon and follow this vision. I have heard similar visions like this before. The pastor took it further and basically equated the entire homosexual community to a discriminated against minority group in the church. He made allusions that the way the church as a whole has treated homosexuals is basically the same as the way our country treated blacks with slavery in our past. This exposed three problems in my humble opinion. One is that it really diminishes the evils that many in our country were guilty of with promoting slavery. Two it basically accuses the entire church for centuries of abuse towards homosexuals giving the church an undeserved black eye and accusations of discrimination and being unloving. Three, it takes a very low view of God’s holiness. If this wasn’t enough the pastor included Muslims in the mix. This is where it got real confusing to me. Basically Christianity was being stripped of its uniqueness, being touted more as a philosophy than a religion that is somehow compatible with both the LGBT and Islam religion. Christ is able to set us free from our sins not to liberate us so that we can sin freely. Are you sure this vision is from God? Other than this, I do appreciate you concern to reach out to these communities and love these men and woman.

  53. Andrew says:

    Throw in the fact that there are five (soft) critiques of CC eschatology and dispensationalism on the site and you have some very unhappy traditionalists.
    _______________________________________________________________________

    Michael, It seems as if 3 of the 5 (soft) critiques are actually written by a pastor on staff in philly which you stated are hardcore traditionalists. So I am a bit puzzled what you are saying.

  54. Kevin H says:

    From the pulpit in Philly there is a regular emphasis on the importance of pre-trib, pre-mill eschatology, usually manifested through a focus on the pre-trib Rapture. There is also sometimes an emphasis on the need for all CC’s to be uniform. When other eschatological positions are mentioned, they are usually mentioned in a dismissive or condescending manner. Rarely, if ever, are the merits or strengths of other positions discussed.

    But yes, three of the articles on the CC website were written by a CC Philly assistant pastor. I know this pastor just a little bit. From my small impression, he seems to be a solid guy who is a bit of a thinker. I can’t really speak any more to the situation beyond that.

  55. Captain Kevin says:

    #46-48…London, Andrew and Xenia…yes, yes, and yes!!!

  56. Captain Kevin says:

    #49…Babylon’s Dread…”Attendance at a wedding is participation and implied agreement.

    Conscience will not let me do it.”

    Babs, I respect that. My conscience hasn’t prevented me from thinking that I would go.

  57. Babylon's Dread says:

    Jonathan Bernier suggest that opposing gay marriage somehow implies you are not scandalized by molesting children? Now there is compelling wisdom. Let’s all bow in awe.

  58. Charles says:

    Jesus ate with publicans and prostitutes and the worst of his generation. But He did it with love, if I was invited I would accept as a friend and show the love of Christ while there.

    God wants us all to be light of the world to the fallen, why wouldn’t you go?

    Its 2015 no 1975 things have changed out attitudes and perspectives should as well

  59. Observer says:

    Setting aside (1) cultural trends (2) the LGBT agenda ( 3) the US Supreme court ruling making same-sex marriage federal law in all 50 states, what should a believers do when invited to a same-sex wedding if the gay couple getting “married” are not Christians? Brian Brodersen, lead pastor of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa (a prominent council member of the Calvary Chapel Association) (CCA) says it is OK for believers to attend a same-sex wedding if the same-sex couple are unbelievers. Brian says this in a Calvarychapel.com article. Brian defends his view in several other Calvarychapel.com articles as well.
    Keep in mind that according to the administrative head (Don McClure) of the CCA council (the supposed leaders and overseers of the Calvary Chapel movement) says that “We (CCA council members) are simply a group of like-minded men.” The question is this! Do the CCA council members agree with Brian about believers attending the wedding of a same-sex wedding if the same-sex couple are unbelievers? If they do, what does that say about them? If the rest of CC pastors accept CCA leadership, what does that say about the pastors of Calvary Chapel Movement as a whole?
    Since, it is not legally required that believers attend such an event (at least not yet) we are legally free to say no to such an invitation, at least for now. We still have a legal choice. But do we have more than one right and moral choice as Brian says in this article recommending believers to attend the wedding of same-sex couples providing the gay couples are unbelievers? Legally we are free to attend this kind of event, at least for now. But would it be right before God to do so. The question is not “is a same-sex marriage right or acceptable to God? Brian answers that question by describing a same-sex wedding as wicked and sinful. But should a believer accept an invitation to attend a same-sex wedding, if they are not forced to do so? And would attending such an event promote wickedness or moral compromise or help reach unbelievers come to saving faith in Christ, as Brian suggests? That is the question I would like to consider in this review of Brian’s article and recommendation.
    By encouraging a believer to attend an LGBT wedding if Brian is not forced to do so, is Brian leading a believer down a slippery slope to liberalism, apostasy and promoting moral compromise and wickedness? Few, if any Christians go to sleep at night with strong beliefs in a fundamental of the Christian Faith (such as marriage is the sacred bond between one man and one woman) and wake up in the morning believing in the legitimacy and acceptability of same-sex marriage. This kind of moral collapse takes time with a lot of help from the enemy. Does this article reveal the kind of help that would lead us to believe that Brian is getting the kind of help that the enemy would provide?
    Recently I received an email originally about an article written by Brian Brodersen.

    As already mentioned, Brian is the present lead Pastor of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa. I did not ask for this email article. It was just sent to me by someone who subscribes to Calvarychapel.com. Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa was at one-time a very conservative Evangelical mega-church under its former senior Pastor Chuck Smith Sr. Still Brian says that it is OK to attend a same-sex wedding if the homosexual couple are unbelievers. To rationalize such a view, it seems to me that Brian had to do a lot of scripture twisting.

    Brian Brodersen is not alone (if we are to believe Don McClure) in the Calvary Chapel Association (CCA). Brian (and the other CCA council members) claim on the CCA website, that Chuck Smith Sr. hand -picked them to oversee and lead the Calvary Chapel movement while he was still with them and once he could no longer lead. Now if Chuck knew where this kind of leadership would lead, I doubt anyone could seriously believe that Chuck would have appointed these same men to lead and oversee the Calvary Chapel movement as they are now apparently doing!

    This OK was given by Brian in an article in an article for Calvarychapel.com for the Calvary Chapel movement. Calvarychapel.com, a website of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa Calvarychapel.com is the website of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa under the direction of Brian Brodersen. Calvarychapel.com is intended to express Brian’s views, which it consistently does. If Chuck were around to see what was written by Brian and read by many Calvary Chapel pastors and the people of the Calvary Chapel Churches, it is more than hard to believe that Pastor Chuck would approve of Calvarychapel.com and the OK for Christians to attend a same-sex wedding even if the same-sex couple were unbelievers. Is this what Brian meant by big changes were coming to Costa Mesa after Chuck went to be with the Lord. See article in Christianity Today

    What you will see in red is intended show what Brian himself said in this article in Calvarychapel.com. No need to put words into Brian’s mouth. Since Brian wrote this article and defended it several times thereafter, think it is safe to assume that what we find (written by Brian) in Calvarychapel.com is what he wanted to say to believers and encourage believers to think about concerning attending a same-sex wedding involving unbelieving friends. The red letters make it clear that these are Brian’s own words and ideas. Brian says he was asked:

    CAN I ATTEND MY …. FRIEND’S [SAME SEX] WEDDING?

    Here is how Brian responds to and answers this question. As Brian says:
    That is a question I received [and answered in this article] most pastors never dreamed they’d be asked. Yet in the past several months I have been asked that question three or four times, and I’m sure with the current state of affairs, questions like that are only going to become more frequent. So what is a Christian to do if they are asked to attend [this kind of] wedding? Let me say right from the start, I don’t think there is one stock answer.

    If Brian were to simply say that it would be wrong to attend a same-sex wedding it would not be an obvious slippery slope to liberalism and apostasy. But by condemning a same-sex marriage (which he does) he can still open the door for a much more liberal view of marriage (which he also does) and make it seem like he is just being tolerant of a cultural trend without seeming legalistic. So why is there more than one stock answer? Because, according to Brian, the Bible provides more than one right answer. Brian could condemn same-sex marriage (which he does) without condemning attending a same-sex wedding which he says the Bible does not explicitly condemn. Brian reasons that:
    It would be easy to answer like this: [this kind of marriage] … is no marriage at all; it is nothing less than sin, and I, as a Christian, will have nothing to do with anything like that.

    And:
    Strictly speaking, that would be a perfectly legitimate biblical response. The Bible knows nothing of [this kind of]… marriage. According to the Bible, marriage is exclusively the union between a man and a woman; all [other kinds of marriage]… are clearly and unequivocally condemned in Scripture as sinful and needing to be repented of.

    The kind of marriage, is according to Scripture… sinful and needing to be repented of. Why then is there not one stock answer to the request to attend a wedding of this kind, which he says is not a wedding at all? Why can’t he just say no? Brian (who wrote this article) says that despite that he is being invited to attend a wedding of a sinful marriage, there is another acceptable option, other than just saying no. Why? Because as Brian, who also happens to be the lead pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa) reasons:
    But even with that being the case, I don’t know that a Christian’s response would always necessarily have to be along those lines. Could there be a circumstance where, for the purpose of showing the unconditional love of Christ and the abundant grace of God toward sinners…the Lord might lead some of us to go to such an event? I don’t know.

    The Lord might lead us to go to a same-sex wedding. Really? Brian goes on to say:
    …think about this. Paul said to the Corinthians: “I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world … since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company a brother or sister who is sexually immoral … not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13).

    Brian then reasons as follows:
    Here, it seems to me, are two different approaches to sinful situations. One has to do with those professing Christ who are living in sin; the other has to do with those who are living in sin but make no profession of Christ—they are the “sexually immoral people of this world.” For those who profess Christ but persist in sin, Paul said, discontinue associations with them. But for the “sexually immoral people of this world,” Paul said that it’s God’s job to judge them. What then are we to do with them? I believe we are to seek to win them to Christ so they can be saved from judgment. But I can only do that if I have contact with them, preferably the kind of contact that allows me to show them something of God’s love and grace. There needs to be a relationship, even a friendship. Jesus was known as the friend of sinners, not because He condoned anyone’s sin, but because He associated with sinners and made Himself accessible to them. He bid them come to Him, just as they were, with all of their guilt and sin, and He would forgive them. He would cleanse them.

    Then Brian begins to reason or rationalize his position and recommendation as follows:
    So what’s my answer? Should a Christian attend a same-sex wedding? This is my present perspective on it, and for me it comes down to drawing a distinction between the two groups Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5. If those marrying claim they are believers and that God is leading them to be married, and they are inviting you to come celebrate their love with them, I believe the answer is no; you should not have any part in anything like that. These are the people that Paul said we are to separate from. But if, on the other hand, the person is a rank-and-file unbeliever, perhaps a relative, an old friend, a work colleague, or whatever the case might be, and they invite you, this is where I would say pray about it and be open to the Lord having you there as part of the “bigger picture” work that He’s doing in the lives of those who presently are lost but could one day be found. “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners” (1 Timothy 1:15).

    While Calvarychapel.com is the website of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa I seriously doubt that the other 20 plus CCA Council Members agree with the position Brian takes in this article. I am not a council member or even in the Calvary Chapel Association. I will, therefore, not presume to speak on behalf of the other CCA Council Members. For the sake of discussion, allow me to change the question, supposedly asked of Brian. Let us ask the question as follows:

    Should I attend my friends’ polygamous wedding?

    Let us assume (for the sake of discussion) that the cultural trend allows for us and the U.S. Supreme court determined that one woman should be able to marry two or more men. And the people begin asking Brian “Can I attend my friends’ polygamous wedding?” And suppose Brian were to say:

    Let me say right from the start, I don’t think there is one stock answer or … the Lord might lead some of us to go to such an event?

    Let us also assume that this woman is not a believer. And then:

    …think about this. Paul said to the Corinthians: “I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the immoral people of this world … since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother (or sister) who is sexually immoral … not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.

    Finally, suppose that Brian says that:

    …This is where I would say pray about it and be open to the Lord having you there…

    Now if these council members are really “like-minded men” as Don McClure insists, what (if anything does that suggest) if anything about the doctrinal and moral compass of the CCA leadership? If the other CCA council members disagree with what Brian wrote and recommends in Calvarychapel.com it would be easy for them to say so. If they do not say they disagree with Brian what are the rest of the Calvary Chapel pastors to make of it?

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