Open Blogging Uncategorized Add comments May 132017 It’s all yours today… Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Google+ (Opens in new window)MoreClick to email this to a friend (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)Like this:Like Loading... 29 Responses to “Open Blogging” Martin Luther's Disciple says: May 13, 2017 at 10:34 am Open Blogging This is what happens when you will not teach the sacraments as efficacious in the believer’s life – but just as obedience rituals Baptism, the Lord’s Supper and Absolution come to us from outside of us, they are all given to us so that we have assurance of our salvation. Without them you end up with teachings like this one from Tim Keller where now your assurance must come from within yourself. It’s deadly http://churchleaders.com/pastors/videos-for-pastors/176648-tim-keller-questions-for-sleepy-or-nominal-christians.html Read the 3 paragraphs and then watch the less than 2 min video. Xenia says: May 13, 2017 at 10:59 am Ah, good. Something MLD and I can agree on. 🙂 From the link, Keller wants people to do a self-examination to see if they are a fake Christian or not. He asks, as proof of genuineness: How real has God been this week to your heart? Have you been finding Scripture to be alive and active? Are you finding God’s grace more glorious and moving now than you have in the past? These are the types of questions that caused me so much personal misery for 30 years. How can you answer these questions honestly, anyway? It’s all based on emotion. How am I “feeling” about God this week. Shall we quantify it? On a scale from 1 to 10 how good am I feeling about God? Did I forget him for a few hours while I was watching TV? And if I am forgetting God now and then, and not finding lively nuggets of Scripture on a regular basis, and I am not accelerating my sense of God’s glory fast enough…. I am a fake Christian? If so, WHAT MUST I DO TO BECOME A REAL CHRISTIAN? See, I thought this guy was a monergist. I didn’t think he’d believe there was anything one could do to become a genuine (non-fake) Christian, that God does it all. So Mr. Keller, what must one do? What does he mean by ‘fake” Christian, anyway? You are either a Christian or you’re not and believe me, it doesn’t depend on how I was feeling about God last week or if I discovered some new treasure in the Bible. This was the kind of thinking that drove me to despair. It’s salvation by works of the worst kind. Actually, it’s salvation by emotion. Salvation by sincerity. Me drumming up good thoughts about God. Michael says: May 13, 2017 at 11:19 am That was an odd presentation from a Reformed Presbyterian… em ... again says: May 13, 2017 at 12:04 pm i won’t even bother with the link, so i probably shouldn’t be posting a comment, eh? 🙂 FWIW i’ve said before, and i believe it, that feelings are intended to be the appreciators of life, not the governors of same… e.g. we just had to return a rescue dog – a good dog – a rowdy, lovable galoot that deserves a good home and, for many unresolvable reasons, we aren’t it… our feelings said, “keep this dear dog,” but our minds had to prevail – that doesn’t stop us from praying for the creature, tho – God be merciful to us and renew our minds as needed when it comes to the spiritual life, are we not taught that the heart is deceitful and to renew our minds? brainwashing is not always bad Rom 12:2 – Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. … i don’t think we ‘test’ by feelings, but by the Word that said, i read Xenia’s list of three questions and i think they are applicable to ‘real’ Christians, not fake… Martin Luther's Disciple says: May 13, 2017 at 12:11 pm Keller’s evangelical side outweighs his “Reformed Presbyterian” side in this (and I am sure this comes out of his greater teachings.) He does not see a place that the gospel comes to us from the outside – even to the believers. It is always a “self check” It doesn’t matter that Jesus said he would always be with us – it doesn’t matter that Jesus said that nothing could successfully come against his church – we must run the self check on our feelings to trust that we are secure. em ... again says: May 13, 2017 at 12:19 pm #5 – that is one dangerous place to try live the Christian life from… delusional JD says: May 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm I generally don’t bother with some freak preacher’s psyco-babble. My time is better spent in the word with my family. 😉 Steve says: May 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm I don’t think Tim Keller was the guy responsible for the title: “3 Questions Fake Christians can’t answer”. It seems like a staff writer is the guy who came up with that title. The worse I heard Tim Keller say in the video was questions designed to wake up sleepy Christians. This seems to me a big difference from Fake Christians which I didn’t hear Tim Keller mention. The title doesn’t match the video and is somewhat misleading. Whether you agree with the questions or not, doesn’t make asking the questions terrible. In fact I think this kind of dialog can be healthy in a small group. If your baptism is the most meaningful thing in your relationship with Christ, than you can certainly give these answers to the questions and I would respect that. Give the guy a break. If we did it the Lutheran way, we wouldn’t have any small groups at all other than to study the book of Concord or something like that. Tim Keller seems to be trying to facilitate discussion and community which he is big on. Nathan Priddis says: May 13, 2017 at 4:30 pm About Saeed If I was a media exec from any outlet in a hostile stance with Trump, or Republican backers….man, I’d hire that guy Monday AM. He’d be my new rotating Evangelical guest commentator. If I was a CNN exec, I’d give my left nut to have viewers associate him with Evangelical Industrial support for Trump. I wouldn’t really care what he said on air / online at all, as long it came across as Evangelical. Get him on the set. Turn on the mike and turn it up. Let him run unto the next commercial break. Martin Luther's Disciple says: May 13, 2017 at 4:42 pm Steve, And here you claim to not be the typical evangelical, and here you are supporting Keller by advocating that Christians need to get busier around church – join a new Bible study etc. Let’s look at this – who is a sleepy Christian? Is there such a thing, or do you and Keller just associate it with someone who does not do their Christianity the way you do? But Keller’s biggest fault here is that he is teaching a whole room full of people to go out, diagnose sleepy Christian and set them up with the hot seat questions. These are the things that make people doubt their faith and fall away. You are not helping a single person be closer to Jesus by running them through the Keller drill. btw, you could do much worse than having a Bible study on the Book of Concord. Much better than the 5 Smooth Stones type bible studies.many evangelicals are attracted to. Jean says: May 13, 2017 at 4:47 pm EO News! Apologies if this has already been shared sometime on the blog: http://www.sltrib.com/news/5243596-155/utah-mormons-protestants-finding-new-spiritual I would say on balance, this is encouraging. Other thoughts? Jean says: May 13, 2017 at 4:56 pm Who was it that said: “you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth”? I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the POTUS. Pineapple Head says: May 13, 2017 at 5:50 pm Being formerly from Utah, I read that EO article this morning. But I must confess I only went to the SL Trib website for news about the Utah Jazz. em ... again says: May 13, 2017 at 7:37 pm #11 – hmmm… i have told young Mormon doorbellers to not give up on Christ as they get older and, perhaps, begin to question the history of Mormonism… and i have prayed that the sect would wake up to who Jesus Christ really is and how they’ve insulted God’s majesty and loving sacrifice by making Jesus a created being, dismissing the triune nature… Orthodoxy wasn’t what i was praying for, but thank and praise God for those who are recognizing who God is and what it means to accept Him – even if they do have to go back to square one to do so… nothing says you have to be a Baptist to be saved… Steve says: May 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm MLD, I am not advocating getting busier at church. I am advocating community. This means relationships with one another, fellowship, getting to know each other, etc.. I host a monthly fellowship at my home. Its a highlight for me and not something I dread. If this makes me a typical evangelical, than I’m very proud of that label. There is no manipulation to join our group and no pressure. We don’t put labels on folks either such as sleepy Christian label. Regarding Tim Keller I’m not a huge fan and I understand your concerns and I share them. I sometimes feel he borders on man centered sanctification. With that aside, I do think he has a heart for community that seems to be sorely lacking in much of Christianity in America and for this I commend him. RebelpJones says: May 14, 2017 at 6:21 am This is a short piece from my upcoming book 2 in the Raven and The Owl series Please let me know your thought and critiques outside of grammar. Hope you enjoy. A Place Beyond By RebelpJones I sat to write as any night in ritual form A glass of wine A bit of smoke Some painful memories with creative approach How much of my own truth Should I really Divulge How much of this magic should I really indulge in Too much of anything They say is a bad thing Darkness befell me as a soft delicate touch of a womans hands Covered my eyes A familiar presence Approached from the night. Only one name Comes to mind, Lilitu I whisper her name Every moonlit night With doubt that her presence would Ever return, Left me hungry Left me thirsty for more. She had a knack for painfully touching my soul And showing me truths I would’ve otherwise never known Before my eyes she became a mist that became my breath That scorched my lungs Every breath I took Felt like firey Hell Inside my chest Without notice or warning I became possessed And I felt her press Extreme pressure Within my breast She squeezed my heart A painful piercing burning feeling Of being torn apart. Then euphoric and feeling weightless I see we’ve taken flight! A place beyond but exists within A realm of unbelievable sights Ignited by the wisdom Of the Goddess and the night shining A path for the great warrior knights of the old That secure the gates of our two worlds. Pineapple Head says: May 14, 2017 at 8:09 am I like to boil the Christian experience (from the human side of things) down to 5 words: Believe Receive Confess Abide Testify em ... again says: May 14, 2017 at 9:34 am ahhh, beware the wisdom of the Goddess – reading the poignant words brought to mind a proverb – 🙂 the raucous raven and the silent owl – nature has its lessons, but… Pro 14:12 …There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death. em ... again says: May 14, 2017 at 9:43 am skipping the predestination declaration the good news is Romans 8:31-38 Believe the Gospel Receive the Gospel Confess the Gospel Abide in the Gospel Testify to the Gospel God keep all close and comforted this day dusty says: May 14, 2017 at 10:35 am Happy mother’s day! Hope you have a wonderful day! London says: May 14, 2017 at 10:42 am I prefer Believe Jesus Receive Jesus Confess to Jesus Abide in Jesus Testify of Jesus Pineapple Head says: May 14, 2017 at 2:50 pm Attaching gospel or Jesus works for me Descended says: May 14, 2017 at 4:14 pm RebelpJones Too many syllables for the meter Nice imagery Yet “As Above, So Below” rings in my head. Lilith = the lie Careful there John 20:29 says: May 15, 2017 at 9:44 am Pastor Pineapple, gospel, Jesus, Word, God, all aspects, targets of your list of 5 actions, eh? 🙂 Xenia says: May 15, 2017 at 10:05 am That is a very pagan piece of poetry up there at #16. Scooter Jones says: May 15, 2017 at 6:21 pm I heard this story on Ted Radio today. Very powerful and impacting testimony of Dylan Klebold’s (Columbine shooter) mother. http://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/527939178/sue-klebold-when-your-son-does-the-unthinkable-can-you-forgive-him-and-yourself Descended says: May 15, 2017 at 10:04 pm MLD What do you think of the notion that what we don’t do correctly at the Lord’s Table is that we come for repentance when we ought to be exceedingly joyful, praising Him for what He has done, given is life absolution once and for all…? Shouldn’t our hearts be right before we offer the praises of our lips when we show up on Sunday, not just the insurance warning to the sinner so that they do not bring judgement upon themselves? em... again says: May 15, 2017 at 10:16 pm #27 – your comment to MLD shows some good instincts IMHO 🙂 Descended says: May 15, 2017 at 10:41 pm Thanks em I wish I thought it up, but it’s just from listening to others. 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