The Weekend Word

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  1. Paige says:

    Thank you. The comparison verse charts are great. … Appreciate the summaries… printed this up to tuck in my Bible. Thank you.

  2. John 20:29 says:

    Good to find the comparison lists – God is consistent and thorough
    Page’s idea is worth doing … IMNSHO

    even if our conclusions/interpretations differ, facts are still facts

  3. dusty says:

    This is a very good intro. thank you MLD!

  4. dusty says:

    5, 6, 7, seem to be off am I reading it wrong? should it be 6,7,8? or 5,6,7,?

  5. Kevin H says:

    Good thing you provided some charts, MLD.

    Could use some more color and dragons and beasts, though. 😉

  6. John 20:29 says:

    Kevin H, that’s funny… but just wait until you see MLD’s timelines 🙂

  7. Jean says:

    MLD, I appreciate the scholarship. Thank you.

    Please double check the first set of numbers. They (or I) seem to be off.

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Interesting – I will need to see if the formatting failed.

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Tomorrow – I want to see how some of the conversation goes. Maybe I will invite Steve Wright.

  10. Michael says:

    They look fine on my screen.
    Anybody else with an issue?

  11. Jean says:

    Michael,

    5, 6 and 7 in the first list of numbers looks off.

    Here’s an example:

    “7 = The number symbolizing salvation, rebirth, resurrection and regeneration – eight people were saved in the Ark, an Israelite child was reborn into the covenant on the 8th day of life, and Jesus was resurrected from the dead on the 8th day.”

  12. Kevin H says:

    The dragon and beast pictures are missing from the charts on my screen. 🙂

  13. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I finally saw that and I think I fixed it.
    Word added in a five because it thought it was a list of bullet points.

  14. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    I’m in charge of graphics…and I have some doozys… 🙂

  15. Michael says:

    I will also say that this is an excellent beginning to this series…

  16. Jean says:

    Michael,

    “I will also say that this is an excellent beginning to this series…”

    I agree. But MLD knows I will hold his feet to the fire. I sincerely want to learn this book and all its symbolism, and very much look forward to the coming weeks and months. But I am going to approach this study as a Berean.

  17. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin H mentioned colors – I do have a chart showing that 27 colors are mentioned in Revelation – which I think shows ( this will sound funny) the visual importance of the visions.God is speaking in visions, visuals and symbolic images… and they are all revisits of previous God communications.

  18. John 20:29 says:

    #9 – I think there will be much to learn in this study and while I am convinced that it is the Church that is the parenthetical in God’s dealing with man from the time of Abraham until Jesus’ return to reign -a very important parenthetical without which the plan of redemption could not have been carried out … I’m not going to argue for my views
    Therefore, since the removal of the Church well before the described ending scenario plays out won’t fit into what MLD will posit. So? … so God giving me the necessary forbearance, I’ll keep out of this study for two reasons, one Im not qualified to teach and two, this will be a good study that doesn’t need the distractions of the argument … IMNSHO … again 😇

  19. Michael says:

    Em,

    Your input is valuable…and if MLD brings along Steve Wright, you’ll have some help.

  20. Michael says:

    It takes more than being a Berean to understand this book.
    Most of the context through which we understand the early chapters are extra biblical and historical.

  21. John 20:29 says:

    Thank you, Michael.. even tho I have chosen where I stand on the book with some thot, I’m not not qualified to debate the views out there … to tell the truth, with the exception of some very off the wall absurdities, I think most speculation will have to wait for events to transpire to be certain…
    Revelation well may be there to pick up where Ezekiel and Daniel have left the Jew suspended… Dunno

  22. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, you have a sly way of debating your point of view by feigning lack of debating ability.
    If you were going to preempt out of a study, I would have thought it would be Matthew which is much more controversial.
    You have made the standard Rapture theology case for the Rapture (you called it the removal) – that the Church is Plan B in God’s work (you called it the parenthetical in God’s dealing with man) and you made the case for the continual 2 peoples theory (Revelation well may be there to pick up where Ezekiel and Daniel have left the Jew suspended… )

    Now these may all be true, but you will not find any of it in Revelation. What will we find? 😉

  23. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I mentioned aboe in the article chapters 4 & 5, and I will make a case in next week’s part 2 for the introduction that these 2 chapters are the lynchpin for understanding the entire book. At the same time couple of things when looking over the charts, especially the Ezekiel / Revelation one – – – misconceptions out of Ezekiel that have made Revelation difficult in it’s natural flow.
    Many have interpreted Ezekiel 37 as the reestablishment of the modern day nation Israel, where I think the proper understanding is the resurrection of the people of God (in a normal resurrection sense.
    Also Ezekiel 38-39 should not be read as a new end times temple to be built in Jerusalem – either now or in the millennium. If the normal sense is that Ezekiel is describing the place where God dwells – if he is talking ‘heavenly’ talk then it flows. My contention (I probably should have covered Ezekiel before Revelation as I did in my class) is when Ezekiel tries to describe this, he knows that the people understand only that God dwells in the temple – so he uses that imagery.
    So, that is my purpose in beginning with the prophetic comparisons.

  24. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Time to run off to church. Does anyone have thoughts on Revelation being written before John’s gospel?

  25. John 20:29 says:

    ahh, MLD, i am sly? no one has accused me of having that attribute before – maybe you’re onto something … 🙂

    i read some of Thieme’s material on dispensations this morning… Matthew is a very dispensational book
    BTW my referring to the Church as parenthetical was meant to say that it has been inserted in the stream of Jewish history… in no way did I want to imply that we are “plan B” – God has one plan with many parts comprising the whole of the plan

    when Satan issued his challenge to God waaay back there, i think God told Satan, “No, you’re incapable of reaching equality with Me as you will find out. I’ll defeat you with one hand tied behind My back.” Then He created man… THE plan of God …
    dunno, tho do i? just pondering … folks who don’t ponder Scripture are missing rich food for thought…

  26. Duane Arnold says:

    #24 MLD

    The dating issue is complicated. It has a relationship with Qumran, which takes it early, I tend to take it somewhere between the persecution of Nero and shortly after the destruction of the Temple. Now, there may have been an added “hand”, but we have no textual evidence. So, somewhere between 64 and 132…. A wide spread, but I’m not sure one can bring it closer in. It’s not referenced in the Fathers until the later second century, which is not a help…

  27. Josh The Baptist says:

    This is a very good start MLD. Well done.

  28. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane thanks for your input. Questions of authorship and dating abound. This is why I offered the Irenaeus thought and also pointed to Google 🙂
    I think that the Gospel of John is so different from the synoptics that there may have been an intervening ‘happening’ – such as the Patmos experience. But who knows?

  29. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Josh, thanks for your comment.

  30. Keith says:

    Outstanding research! Reading through it makes me want to spend more time in these books. Thanks Michael!

  31. Jeffrey W Pautz says:

    Thank you, MLD for starting this study. I like how you are setting it up as an amillennial witness to Jesus Christ.

    The Book of Revelation is not too hard to understand. The problem is that we don’t like its message once we understand it. And yet, it is a treasure trove of comfort for troubled or dying Christians.

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